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Sunday, 1/18/2026, 8:30am - Like It Is

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Published December 31, 2025 at 7:30 PM PST
(L to R) Frances Sanders, Jonathan Sanders
(L to R) Frances Sanders, Jonathan Sanders

Frances Sanders.
On this week’s program, Frances Sanders, the mother of Johnathan Sanders, describes details of the death of her son on July 8th 2013 in Stonewall, Mississippi. The deadly encounter in Stonewall, Mississippi captured national attention. Witnesses said the 39-year-old man had words with Officer Herrington at a gas station around 10 pm.  Witnesses said Sanders struggled to escape the choke hold and said he couldn't breathe. He died on the scene.

Sanders was exercising one of his horses on the night of July 8 when he had a brief verbal exchange with Herrington at a gas station in Stonewall. Herrington later stopped Sanders and an altercation ensued. During the struggle, Herrington applied a chokehold to Sanders, who later died. A Clarke County grand jury declined to indict white Stonewall police officer Kevin Herrington for the death of an African American man named Jonathan Sanders in July 2015. The grand jury report states that Sanders’ death was the result of “manual asphyxia associated with acute cocaine toxicity.” It also found that Herrington’s stop of Sanders was legal because the officer suspected Sanders was involved in drug activity.

Areas of discussion:

*Building Resilience Through Reflection
Healey explained a four-phase process for building resilience: Reflect, where individuals take time daily to reflect on their day with gratitude; Build, which focuses on developing a positive mindset and support system; ACT, where people face challenges, set goals, and act; and Renew, where they learn from adversity, celebrate their achievements, and strive to become better. Terry emphasized that the process is customizable and encourages individuals to choose positivity, set goals, and focus on personal growth.

*Gratitude and Resilience Journey
Terry shared his personal journey with sarcoma cancer, emphasizing how the experience taught him gratitude, provided a new life perspective, and fostered empathy. He discussed his book, "The Resilience Mindset," which was inspired by audience requests for a prescriptive self-development guide based on his experiences and those of others who overcame adversity. Terry explained that the book aims to help readers prepare for challenges by sharing lessons learned from personal struggles.

*Resilience Through Personal Themes
Terry shared his personal experience with resilience, highlighting how a song called "Never Surrender" by Corey Hart helped him cope with a challenging medical situation. He emphasized the importance of finding a personal theme song that inspires hope and resilience during tough times. Terry also discussed his book, "A Pimple Nearly Killed Me and A Resilience Mindset," which aims to provide readers with tools and methods to build resilience and maintain hope, despite life's adversities.

*Perspective and Resilience Discussion
Dr. Franklin and Terry discussed the importance of perspective in their community, emphasizing the need to appreciate the relative safety and comfort they enjoy compared to many others worldwide.
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